Guests:
Brian
Ross
Rep.
Mike Rogers (R-MI)
Sen.
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Greta
Van Susteren
Bill
Kristol
Steve
Rattner
Donna
Brazile
Matthew Dowd
Stephanopoulos:
OMG the President's
panel
blasted NSA surveillance!
Ross:
they wrote a 300 page document
saying
the NSA didn't abuse but the
program
doesn't make America safer
Stephanopoulos:
that should make for
light
holiday reading
Ross:
and then a federal judge said
the
program was unconstitutional
Stephanopoulos:
that's news
Ross:
they also said we shouldn't
spy
on allies without a good reason
Stephanopoulos:
Snowden's friends
say
the panel vindicates him
– you
were on the panel – is that true?
Richard
Clarke: no he's still a traitor
Stephanopoulos:
welcome Mr. Rogers
– how's
is going?
Rogers:
it's a wonderful day for
surveillance
in the neighborhood
Stephanopoulos:
will you fight to
keep
the metadata haystack?
Rogers:
look the panel agreed the
information
is important so now
the
question is where do we keep it
Stephanopoulos:
a lockbox?
Rogers:
the phone company isn't
any
more protective of privacy!
Stephanopoulos:
interesting
Rogers:
the phone company isn't
in
the business of keeping secrets
really
well like the NSA always does
Stephanopoulos:
a Bush-appointed federal judge
said
that collecting all this information
violates
the Fourth Amendment
Rogers:
other judges have disagreed –
hundreds of
opinions have said the
government can collect
business records
and after all phone
calls are not personal records
Stephanopoulos:
well they're my personal
records
held by a business
Rogers:
a federal court affirmed this
program
as recently as July
Stephanopoulos:
should the U.S. give
Ed
Snowden amnesty?
Rogers:
Ed Snowden has offered to sell
classified
information for his own
personal
gain – I call that treason
Stephanopoulos:
to Brazil?
Rogers:
he never used whistleblower
protections
– he just fled to free
nations
like China and Russia
Stephanopoulos:
should we be terrified
of
terrorism because of the war on Christmas?
Rogers:
Al-Qaeda has affiliates all over
the
world and they all aspire to kill people
Stephanopoulos:
just like McDonalds
Rogers:
this report proves there was
no
surveillance or scandal
Stephanopoulos:
it does?
Rogers:
and they never even talked to
the
FBI about how useful Sec. 215 is!
Stephanopoulos:
darn it
Rogers:
also terrorists want to blow up
people
in the United States –
merry
fucking christmas
Stephanopoulos:
Senator what about the NSA?
Udall:
it's all falling apart – the NSA has overreached!
Stephanopoulos:
go on
Udall:
we must quickly adopt all 46 report recommendations
Stephanopoulos:
all 46 of them?
Udall:
well I haven't actually read the report yet
Stephanopoulos:
is bulk collection of
metadata Constitutional?
Udall:
no it doesn't fit with the requirement
for
probable cause
Stephanopoulos:
but the law has never required
probable
cause for phone records
Udall:
Freedom is the right to be
left
alone and that includes privacy
Stephanopoulos:
what about Ed Snowden?
Udall:
I don't care about him
Stephanopoulos:
you think he should face charges?
Udall:
yes I do
Stephanopoulos:
would we be having
this
conversation without Snowden's disclosures?
Udall:
no – I've been shouting in the wilderness!
Stephanopoulos:
what about bulk collection?
Udall:
we have to end the bulk collection!
Stephanopoulos:
thanks for coming
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Stephanopoulos:
panel what about the NSA?
Kristol:
there was no abuse and no violation
of
the law – there was no evidence that
this
metadata collection was abused
Van
Susteren: I strongly disagree
Kristol:
the Supreme Court said
there
is no reasonable expectation
of
privacy in phone records
Van
Susteren: well the Court was wrong
– Smith
v. Maryland was wrongly decided!
Stephanopoulos:
ok
Van
Susteren: there is no exception
in
the Constitution for when
you're
really scared
Rattner:
bulk collection may be legal
but
it's clear people don't like it
Van
Susteren: the Constitution is so clear!
Dowd:
Ed Snowden was vindicated –
the
pendulum has swung too far
toward
the government now
that a Democrat is
President
Van
Susteren: the Constitution is so plain!!
Rattner:
for 30 years everyone has been wrong?
Kristol:
fuck Ed Snowden – Congress
debated
this and so did Obama
Dowd:
I am very disappointed in Obama!
Stephanopoulos:
you worked for Bush
when
he was wiretapping Americans
without
a warrant!
Dowd:
that's different! 9/11!
Brazile:
the people don't want this
level of surveillance
Dowd:
Ed Snowden is a hero and didn't kill anyone
Van
Susteren: even I don't support Snowden
Stephanopoulos:
this is indeed a powerhouse panel
