Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)
Rep. Barbara Lee (D- )
Gregory: Is there a real military solution
Engel: no - we have to make a political deal
Gregory: were the troops upset that McChrystal
Engel: no they think he was a weasel who wouldn’t let them fight
Gregory: Sain McCain was Obama right to fire
McCain: oh yeah the guy is a total dick and I
Gregory: but wasn’t McChrystal right - Obama is
a bad president!!
McCain: look we all blow off steam by calling
the boss an idiot
Meet the Press staff: that’s true
McCain: but you can’t do that in public and get
away with it
Gregory: let’s talk about the fight ahead
McCain: Afghanistan or Iraq?
Gregory: I meant my fight against Obama
McCain: oh ok
Gregory: well how is it going in Afghanistan?
McCain: it’s the same as it was for the last nine years - an absolutely terrible waste of human life
Gregory: so what should we do?
McCain: clearly we can never ever leave
Gregory: Senator we’ve been there for years with nothing to show for it!
McCain: sure but Saint Petraeus will finally get us our of there
Gregory: how so?
McCain: by convincing the enemy that we are
Gregory: why is it so easy for the Taliban to get supporters?
McCain: because people think we might leave which is why we can never leave
Gregory: that makes sense
McCain: I’m not saying it’s not going to long and hard and difficult
Gregory: going to be??
McCain: Ho Chi Minh!!
Gregory: all the Generals support the deadline
McCain: well I don’t
Gregory: should they speak out if they don’t?
Gregory: well they didn’t
McCain: they are cowards and they don’t know military strategy like I do
Gregory: what do you want Obama to do?
McCain: issue a statement saying we will leave in 2011 but only because we’ve won not for any other reason - this will greatly confuse our enemies
Gregory: they won’t be the only ones
McCain: the Taliban pay very close attention
to what we all say and they love to parse our
Gregory: that alone could bog them done and prevent them from fighting
McCain: it would change the war entirely if Obama issued a statement saying we are never leaving unless we want to leave on July 12, 2011
Gregory: what do we win in Afghanistan
McCain: we stabilize a region, kill terrorists, and tell the world that American will stick with a war no matter who useless or stupid it is
Gregory: what the best argument for staying?
McCain: Kids who come home as quadruple amputees
Gregory: so do we stay forever or do we ever leave?
McCain: yes we can leave
McCain: when it’s happy and peaceful and there’s no corruption and well I could go on and on
Gregory: will you vote for Elena Kagan?
McCain: no she weakened the military by not banning competent gay soldiers
Gregory: how’s it going in Arizona?
McCain: since I became a Senator kidnapping and murders are way way up
Gregory: are most Mexicans drug dealers?
McCain: oh no maybe half at the most
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Gregory: Congresswoman Lee John McCain says we to put more troops in Afghanistan
Lee: good lord - this is the longest war in American history and we need to get the hell out of there!
Gregory: but Obama is leaving just when things
are getting good!
Lee: oh my god that’s crazy
Gregory: but maybe we should stay just for
the hell of it
Lee: cripes you’re a loony
Gregory: Joe Klein says we should keep our soldiers there forever
McCaffrey: he’s right - the Afghan government is clearly incompetent and useless so we should stay
Moore: no one wants to leave more than me
Gregory: so at least you think we should leave?
Moore: oh no I think we should stay
Moore: we’re finally winning!
Junger: I’ve been there since 1996 - and those hippies who want to end our longest useless should know that the Afghan people want us to stay
forever and ever
Gregory: there could be a civil war if we pull out!
Junger: right in Afghanistan it’s very dangerous-
Gregory: I meant the U.S.
Ricks: the soldiers knew McChrystal was toast but the Beltway still liked him because pundits are idiots
Gregory: what d you think should Obama do?
Ricks: he’s got to double down and send more troops to Afghanistan!
Gregory: Congresswoman don’t you agree Obama must double the troops in Afghanistan and how can and he work to make that happen?
Lee: lord almighty this is insane
Junger: 90% of Afghans love America
McCaffrey: it would be a catastrophe for the people of Afghanistan if America were to not occupy
Ricks: we’re beloved there except for the child rape
Gregory: America’s enemy is gambling that America is not going to stay for ever and ever
Moore: Afghans would join their government and their army and support us except they don’t know who Karzai is or that they have a country
Gregory: I can’t help but notice that we have no actual reason to be there
Lee: Al-qaeda is not based out of some cave in Afghanistan you dick-waving idiots!
Junger: if we pull out al-qaeda will get control of the airport
- including the duty-free shops!
Ricks: if you want an endless war leave Afghanistan - if you want the war to end then we should stay
Gregory: of course
Ricks: if we leave Afghanistan will still be there -
we can’t accept that!
Gregory: how are our soldiers doing after 9 years?
Junger: they’re not scared anymore - after the first 500 firefights you get numb
McCaffrey: they way out is to build an Afghan army
Lee: I come from a military family and I have a crazy idea - maybe the best way to help troops is to end the war and get out!
Gregory: Tom how does this end?
Ricks: never - we need to keep our overstretched troops dying in the middle east to permanently maintain the oil empire
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