Michael McFaul – Former
Ambassador to Russia under Obama
Stephen Hadley – Former
National Security Advisor under Bush
Todd: OMG nine people were killed
in another mass shooting
Todd: how could this have
happened for the thousandth
time in the last few years?
Reporter: the shooter's father said he
had too many guns and one survivor
said there should be more guns
Todd: there have been 294
mass shootings this year
Todd: there have been 994 since Sandy Hook
Todd: that's like one per day
Todd: our gun death rate is 49 times
higher than in France although we
have fewer baguette beatings
Todd: polls show people want
background checks but also love guns
Obama: somehow this has become routine!
Obama: damn right this is something
we should politicize!
Rubio: criminals don't follow laws!
Kasich: laws don't work!
Jeb: look stuff happens
[ break ]
Todd: welcome to the show again Mr Trump
Trump: good to see you Ted
Todd: the President says this mass shooting
shows we need new laws on guns
Trump: look no matter you do mentally
ill people will fall through the cracks
Todd: but does American have more
mentally ill people than other countries?
Trump: oh definitely
Trump: yes as I travel the country
and see people at my rallies I've seen it
Todd: you have?
Trump: it's not politically correct to
say but most people at my events
are fucking nuts
Todd: 155,000 people have been
killed by gun fire since 9/11 –
should there be a sense of urgency?
Trump: Chicago has strict gun laws
and they have a lot of murder
Todd: but people can go a place
nearby and buy a gun and then
return to Chicago with a gun
Trump: hmm hadn't thought of that
Todd: do we have too many
guns in America?
Trump: it might be better if people
had more guns in Oregon
Todd: you believe that?
Trump: sure because if everyone in
the classroom were packing one of
them could fire back at the mass shooter
[ break ]
Todd: panelists there were 3,000 terror
deaths and we've had 155,000 gun
deaths – should be we panicked?
Lowry: no because there is a
fundamental right to own a machine gun
Todd: you have to pass a test to drive
and must register every car but any
wacko can buy a killing machine
Marcus: Rich Lowry is right –
we can't take away people's guns!
Marcus: but with 150,000 people
dead we should not have to live in terror
Holmes: it's not about guns it's about
the media giving these crazy young
men free publicity
Leibovich: Obama predicted the whole
pro and anti gun debate and then it all
played out exactly that way
Lowry: background checks wouldn't always
work so Obama is bad for talking about them
Marcus: just because something isn't
perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't try
Lowry: we don't need guns laws at all
need to disempower the norm of murder
[ break ]
Todd: welcome back Donald
Trump: thanks Tim
Todd: you have a new tax plan
Trump: I would cut taxes for everybody!
Todd: sounds good
Trump: it's a great plan
Todd: no doubt
Trump: why can't we have 3 percent growth?
Todd: we just got 4 percent
Trump: well China does 7
Todd: but they're a third world country
Trump: we can get 6 percent!
Todd: we've never had 6
Trump: everyone is leaving to go to Ireland
Todd: so you would cut the
deficit through growth
Trump: I would also cut spending
like the Department of education
Todd: you get rid of it?
Trump: not all of it
Todd: what else
Trump: cut the EPA!
Todd: problem solved
Trump: George W. Bush sent a
washer too Texas for $900,000
Todd: that was fraud
Trump: we should not have fraud!
Todd: all right then
Trump: the Pentagon buys
hammers for $800!
Todd: politicians have been
saying that for 30 years
Trump: yeah but I'll do it
Todd: you welcome Putin in Syria
Trump: the Soviet Union went
bankrupt in Afghanistan and hopefully
that will happen again
Todd: so you think it will backfire
Trump: yeah I hope he goes all
in Syria and it screws him over
Todd: but he's bombing our best friends
Trump: we don't know who these people are
Todd: I've heard they're nice people
Trump: I'm not saying Assad is a good
guy although I like dictators who win
Trump: but he couldn't be worse
than Saddam and don't we miss him now
Todd: you think the Mideast would
be better off if Qaddafi and Saddam
were still in power
Trump: of course – not even close
Trump: sure – ISIS came out of Iraq
Trump: and Libya is a total disaster
Todd: so you really think things would
be more stable with Saddam and
Qaddafi ruling with an iron fist
Trump: of course I do you idiot
Todd: and you also like Vladimir Putin
Trump: he's bombing ISIS
who are bad guys
Todd: why do you trust him
and no one else does?
Trump: we're destroying America
with all our spending in the middle east
Todd: you would pull out of the
middle east and retreat from the world
Trump: right now we're fighting for
so-called rebels who are worse than Assad!
Trump: I'm usually very proactive
as you know
Todd: oh I know
Trump: but now I would sit back and watch
Todd: that's no fun
Trump: Putin will get trapped
and he'll be begging to get out
and will laugh in his face
Todd: are you thinking of going
back to being a game show host
Trump: I'm a positive person but
I'm also a realist
Todd: you are
Trump: I'm leading in the polls which are usually right
Trump: if you stopped calling
me I'd go back to my business
Todd: I will never stop calling you Donald
Trump: thank you Tom
[ break ]
Todd: Fresh polls! Trump and Carson
still lead but Fiorina is gaining!
Todd: Jindal is above 5 percent!
Todd: in New Hampshire Trump is
dropping and Fiorina has jumped to 2nd place
Todd: in New Hampshire Jeb
doing better and Kasich is dropping
Todd: Clinton still leads in Iowa but
Bernie is ahead in New Hampshire
Todd: panelists Carly is doing great in
New Hampshire but the one constant is
Trump leading all places everywhere
Leibovich: but does Trump have
a national organization?
Todd: this race is still fluid
Holmes: it totally is – anything could happen!
Marcus: Trump's numbers keep
dropping and he doesn't really want this
Todd: McCarthy said the purpose of the
Benghazi committee was to bring down
Hillary Clinton's poll numbers
Todd: Republicans want him
to withdraw that statement
Todd: they are really mad –
is McCarthy is trouble?
Lowry: yes because he's popular
but a total moron
Lowry: his best case is that no
one else wants that terrible job
Todd: why are no stars running for Speaker?
Holmes: Jim Jordan controls the Freedom
Caucus which is a group of influential lunatics
Todd: when McCarthy spoke Hillary cheered
Marcus: Clinton needed this gift
Leibovich: she can now undermine
every attack on her
Marcus: it makes the whole thing
Lowry: what he was trying say was the
committee uncovered information that
proved Clinton is untrustable
Todd: he should have just said
that and the Beltway would loved it
Holmes: he wasn't even right – the Benghazi
hearings didn't drive down her poll numbers
– it was the fake e-mail scandal
Todd: U.S. airstrikes killed 19 people
at a Doctors Without Borders hospital
Todd: Russia bombed anti-Assad fighters
Todd: even Republican Bob Corker
Obama: Putin is weak! Assad was crumbling!
Todd: was Assad crumbling and
if so should we have taken him out?
McFaul: we should have taken
him out four years ago
McFaul: but Obama is right –
Putin is bombing because Assad
Todd: are we stuck with Assad?
Hadley: the United States needs
to be more involved the Middle East
Todd: I heard we didn't attack Syria
because Obama was afraid to drive
Iran away from bargaining table
McFaul: excuse me but we've
been at war with ISIS for a year
McFaul: there have been 7,000 bombing raids!
Todd: what's the deal with the
McFaul: they may be terrorists but
we need friends somewhere in Syria
Todd: Iran and Russia have
to be part of discussion of Syria
Hadley: sadly yes
Had: yes but to get a ticket to a
seat at the table you have to pay
by saying Assad has to go
Todd: no fly zone?
McFaul: why the fuck not
Todd: Trump says we should stay
out of the middle east and Assad
is a good guy
Hadley: that's totally insane – he's a murderer!
McFaul: I agree with Steve!
Todd: panelists Trump is for real!
Leibovich: hell he leads in all the polls
Todd: he also said he might
drop out if I don't keep calling him
Leibovich: it was an honest answer
Lowry: he doesn't want to risk humiliation
Marcus: he wants the adulation
Holmes: people like the idea of
someone who doesn't need the job
Todd: are we so sure Trump and Carson
and Fiorina will fade?
Leibovich: this isn't a moment –
Trump has been leading for months now
Lowry: remember when we
were all sure Scott Walker would win?
Todd: whatever happened to Jeb?
Marcus: it's time to talk about electability
Todd: omg Hillary Clinton appeared
on Saturday night live and did an
impression of Donald Trump
Holmes: I give her credit for
poking fun at herself
Todd: I'm surprised it wasn't
Trump on the season premiere
Leibovich: Lorne isn't stupid
Todd: so maybe Trump will be on!
Todd: and that's another
episode of Meet The Press