Meet The Press – October 4, 2015

Guests:

Donald Trump

Michael McFaul – Former 

Ambassador to Russia under Obama

Stephen Hadley – Former 

National Security Advisor under Bush

Ruth Marcus

Rich Lowry

Mark Leibovich

Amy Holmes

Todd: OMG nine people were killed

in another mass shooting

Todd: how could this have 

happened for the thousandth 

time in the last few years?

Reporter: the shooter's father said he

had too many guns and one survivor

said there should be more guns

Todd: there have been 294 

mass shootings this year

Todd: there have been 994 since Sandy Hook

Todd: that's like one per day

Todd: our gun death rate is 49 times 

higher than in France although we 

have fewer baguette beatings

Todd: polls show people want 

background checks but also love guns

Obama: somehow this has become routine!

Obama: damn right this is something 

we should politicize!

Rubio: criminals don't follow laws!

Kasich: laws don't work!

Jeb: look stuff happens

[ break ]

Todd: welcome to the show again Mr Trump

Trump: good to see you Ted

Todd: the President says this mass shooting

shows we need new laws on guns

Trump: look no matter you do mentally

ill people will fall through the cracks

Todd: but does American have more

mentally ill people than other countries?

Trump: oh definitely

Todd: really?

Trump: yes as I travel the country

and see people at my rallies I've seen it

Todd: you have?

Trump: it's not politically correct to

say but most people at my events 

are fucking nuts

Todd: 155,000 people have been

killed by gun fire since 9/11 –

should there be a sense of urgency?

Trump: Chicago has strict gun laws 

and they have a lot of murder

Todd: but people can go a place

nearby and buy a gun and then 

return to Chicago with a gun

Trump: hmm hadn't thought of that

Todd: do we have too many

guns in America?

Trump: it might be better if people

had more guns in Oregon

Todd: you believe that?

Trump: sure because if everyone in

the classroom were packing one of

them could fire back at the mass shooter

[ break ]

Todd: panelists there were 3,000 terror

deaths and we've had 155,000 gun

deaths – should be we panicked?

Lowry: no because there is a

fundamental right to own a machine gun

Todd: you have to pass a test to drive

and must register every car but any

wacko can buy a killing machine

Marcus: Rich Lowry is right –

we can't take away people's guns!

Lowry: win

Marcus: but with 150,000 people

dead we should not have to live in terror

Holmes: it's not about guns it's about

the media giving these crazy young 

men free publicity

Leibovich: Obama predicted the whole

pro and anti gun debate and then it all

played out exactly that way

Lowry: background checks wouldn't always

work so Obama is bad for talking about them

Marcus: just because something isn't

perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't try

Lowry: we don't need guns laws at all

need to disempower the norm of murder

[ break ]

Todd: welcome back Donald

Trump: thanks Tim

Todd: you have a new tax plan

Trump: I would cut taxes for everybody!

Todd: sounds good

Trump: it's a great plan

Todd: no doubt

Trump: why can't we have 3 percent growth?

Todd: we just got 4 percent

Trump: well China does 7

Todd: but they're a third world country

Trump: we can get 6 percent!

Todd: we've never had 6

Trump: everyone is leaving to go to Ireland

Todd: so you would cut the

deficit through growth

Trump: I would also cut spending

like the Department of education

Todd: you get rid of it?

Trump: not all of it

Todd: what else

Trump: cut the EPA!

Todd: problem solved

Trump: George W. Bush sent a

washer too Texas for $900,000

Todd: that was fraud

Trump: we should not have fraud!

Todd: all right then

Trump: the Pentagon buys

hammers for $800!

Todd: politicians have been

saying that for 30 years

Trump: yeah but I'll do it

Todd: you welcome Putin in Syria

Trump: the Soviet Union went 

bankrupt in Afghanistan and hopefully 

that will happen again

Todd: so you think it will backfire

Trump: yeah I hope he goes all

in Syria and it screws him over

Todd: but he's bombing our best friends

Trump: we don't know who these people are

Todd: I've heard they're nice people

Trump: I'm not saying Assad is a good

guy although I like dictators who win

Todd: right

Trump: but he couldn't be worse

than Saddam and don't we miss him now

Todd: you think the Mideast would 

be better off if Qaddafi and Saddam 

were still in power

Trump: of course – not even close

Todd: really?

Trump: sure – ISIS came out of Iraq

Todd: true

Trump: and Libya is a total disaster

Todd: so you really think things would

be more stable with Saddam and

Qaddafi ruling with an iron fist

Trump: of course I do you idiot

Todd: and you also like Vladimir Putin

Trump: he's bombing ISIS

who are bad guys

Todd: why do you trust him

and no one else does?

Trump: we're destroying America

with all our spending in the middle east

Todd: you would pull out of the

middle east and retreat from the world

Trump: right now we're fighting for

so-called rebels who are worse than Assad!

Todd: maybe

Trump: I'm usually very proactive 

as you know

Todd: oh I know

Trump: but now I would sit back and watch

Todd: that's no fun

Trump: Putin will get trapped

and he'll be begging to get out

and will laugh in his face

Todd: are you thinking of going

back to being a game show host

Trump: I'm a positive person but 

I'm also a realist

Todd: you are

Trump: I'm leading in the polls which are usually right

Todd: true

Trump: if you stopped calling

me I'd go back to my business

Todd: I will never stop calling you Donald

Trump: thank you Tom

[ break ]

Todd: Fresh polls! Trump and Carson

still lead but Fiorina is gaining!

Todd: Jindal is above 5 percent!

Todd: in New Hampshire Trump is

dropping and Fiorina has jumped to 2^nd place

Todd: in New Hampshire Jeb

doing better and Kasich is dropping

Todd: Clinton still leads in Iowa but

Bernie is ahead in New Hampshire

Todd: panelists Carly is doing great in

New Hampshire but the one constant is

Trump leading all places everywhere

Leibovich: but does Trump have 

a national organization?

Todd: this race is still fluid

Holmes: it totally is – anything could happen!

Marcus: Trump's numbers keep

dropping and he doesn't really want this

Todd: McCarthy said the purpose of the

Benghazi committee was to bring down

Hillary Clinton's poll numbers

Todd: Republicans want him

to withdraw that statement

Todd: they are really mad –

is McCarthy is trouble?

Lowry: yes because he's popular 

but a total moron

Lowry: his best case is that no

one else wants that terrible job

Todd: why are no stars running for Speaker?

Holmes: Jim Jordan controls the Freedom

Caucus which is a group of influential lunatics

Todd: when McCarthy spoke Hillary cheered

Marcus: Clinton needed this gift

Leibovich: she can now undermine

every attack on her

Marcus: it makes the whole thing 

look political

Lowry: what he was trying say was the

committee uncovered information that

proved Clinton is untrustable

Todd: he should have just said

that and the Beltway would loved it

Holmes: he wasn't even right – the Benghazi

hearings didn't drive down her poll numbers

– it was the fake e-mail scandal

Todd: U.S. airstrikes killed 19 people

at a Doctors Without Borders hospital

Todd: Russia bombed anti-Assad fighters

Todd: even Republican Bob Corker 

attacked Obama!

Obama: Putin is weak! Assad was crumbling!

Todd: was Assad crumbling and

if so should we have taken him out?

McFaul: we should have taken 

him out four years ago

Todd: wow

McFaul: but Obama is right –

Putin is bombing because Assad 

was teetering

Todd: are we stuck with Assad?

Hadley: the United States needs

to be more involved the Middle East

Todd: I heard we didn't attack Syria

because Obama was afraid to drive

Iran away from bargaining table

McFaul: excuse me but we've

been at war with ISIS for a year

Todd: perhaps

McFaul: there have been 7,000 bombing raids!

Todd: what's the deal with the 

moderate rebels

McFaul: they may be terrorists but

we need friends somewhere in Syria

Todd: Iran and Russia have

to be part of discussion of Syria

Hadley: sadly yes

Todd: ooh

Had: yes but to get a ticket to a

seat at the table you have to pay

by saying Assad has to go

Todd: no fly zone?

McFaul: why the fuck not

Todd: Trump says we should stay

out of the middle east and Assad 

is a good guy

Hadley: that's totally insane – he's a murderer!

McFaul: I agree with Steve!

Todd: panelists Trump is for real!

Leibovich: hell he leads in all the polls

Todd: he also said he might

drop out if I don't keep calling him

Leibovich: it was an honest answer

Lowry: he doesn't want to risk humiliation

Marcus: he wants the adulation

Holmes: people like the idea of

someone who doesn't need the job

Todd: are we so sure Trump and Carson 

and Fiorina will fade?

Leibovich: this isn't a moment –

Trump has been leading for months now

Lowry: remember when we

were all sure Scott Walker would win?

Todd: whatever happened to Jeb?

Marcus: it's time to talk about electability

Todd: omg Hillary Clinton appeared

on Saturday night live and did an

impression of Donald Trump

Holmes: I give her credit for

poking fun at herself

Todd: I'm surprised it wasn't

Trump on the season premiere

Leibovich: Lorne isn't stupid

Todd: so maybe Trump will be on!

Todd: and that's another

episode of Meet The Press