Guests:
Andrea
Mitchell
Nia-Malika
Henderson
Newt
Gingrich
Harold
Ford
Sen.
Diane Feinstein (D-CA)
Rep.
Mike Rogers (R-MI)
State
Rep. Rep.
John Wisniewski
(D-NJ)
Rudy
Giuliani
Alexis
Ohanian
– Founder Reddit
Norah
O'Donnell
Bob
Gates
Gregory:
talk NSA to me Newt Gingrich
Gingrich:
Obama has seen the light!
Gregory:
ha ha
Mitchell:
no one is talking about the
fact
that in June in 2015 all this goes away
Gregory:
so maybe Congress should act!
Henderson:
Congress is useless
Ford:
remember there was a time
when
we were all scared that we
were
not connecting the dots
Gregory:
I do seem to recall that
Ford:
I only hope there will be someone
who
will speak for the security state
Gregory:
what about the potential for abuse?
Gingrich:
there's always possible
abuse
like when Darrell Issa
when
abused the IRS
Gregory:
I'm getting reaction
from
the digital world
Ford:
damn nerds
Gregory:
the Mayor of Hoboken
says
Christie's people withheld
Sandy
relief funds until she approved
a
development deal he wanted
Gregory:
how about this allegation?
Wisniewski:
this is a serious allegation
– we
need more e-mails!
Gregory:
Christie says he's been
helping
Hoboken a lot and she
only
wants to get on television
Wisniewski:
it's a serious allegation
and
we have to look at it
Gregory:
there's a rush to judgment
poor
Chris Christie – isn't this
stacked
against him?!
[
grinning fatuously ]
Wisniewski:
no – we've got e-mails
coming
from inside the Governor's
office
saying they closed the lanes
to
the GW Bridge for just to be vindictive
Gregory:
you say you think he knew
Wisniewski:
because I think he did know
Gregory:
you're just criminalize
ordinary
rough and tumble politics
Wisniewski:
no we just want
ethical
government
Gregory:
let me turn to good
Christie
friend Rudy Giuliani
Giuliani:
he must recuse himself
because
all facts indicate that
Chris
Christie is telling the truth
Gregory:
okay
Giuliani:
my goodness – the Democrats
have
said mean things about Christie
Gregory:
how sad
Giuliani:
this is clearly a well-orchestrated
witch
hunts by Democrats
Gregory:
Democrats made his
aides
shut down the bridge?
Giuliani:
it's a pile on!
Gregory:
how terrible
Giuliani:
also he held a long press
conference
and fired people over this witch hunt
Gregory:
okay
Giuliani:
also it was wrong, stupid
and
totally crazy and a witch hunt
Giuliani:
Benghazi! IRS scandal!
Gregory:
if Obama is to blame
for
that then isn't Christie to
blame
for Bridgegate?
Giuliani:
I believe Obama is
not
to blame for IRS
Gregory:
how nice
Giuliani:
heck it happened in
my
administration all the time
Gregory:
how is going to be elected
President
in 2016 Christie or Clinton?
Giuliani:
this will work out in
his
favor – it's a textbook case
of
how to handle a scandal ignore,
it
deny it, mock it, then blame everyone else
Gregory:
terrific
Gregory:
Christie is in Florida
O'Donnell:
even Governor Rick Scott
is
afraid to be seen with Christie
Gregory:
oh my god
O'Donnell:
Republicans are hoping
to
raise a lot of money off Christie
Gregory:
cool
O'Donnell:
Republicans are standing by him
Gregory:
awesome
O'Donnell:
now he's going to a
fundraiser
at the home of
billionaire
founder of Home Depot
Gregory:
if they can fix your
house
maybe they can rehab Christie
Gregory:
what about NSA
reforms
Obama proposed
Rogers:
I'm glad he defended
Gregory:
but Barton Gellman says
the
NSA will still collect information
on
people all around the world
Feinstein:
good!
Gregory:
what about data collection?
Feinstein:
we need this to access
the
data instantly
Gregory:
okay
Feinstein:
we're still the Great Satan
and
terrorists are building new bombs
Gregory:
yes but policy expert
Ed
Snowden says he was elected
and
put in charge of the entire system
because
Congress asked asked softball questions
Rogers:
the janitor of the bank
doesn't
get to steal the money
because
he doesn't like the
Assistant
Vice President
Gregory:
perhaps not
Rogers:
he revealed information
about
information collection overseas
which
put soldiers in danger
Rogers:
he had help from outside!
Gregory:
how do you know?
Rogers:
he had a go-bag backpack
– he
could only have come up with
such
a fiendishly clever idea with help
from
an international spy agency
like
C.H.A.O.S. or SPECTRE
Gregory:
do you think the Russians helped him?
Rogers:
I don't think it was luck
he
ended up with the FSB
Gregory:
wow
Rogers:
by the way there was
a
lot of oversight – I knew all about it
Gregory:
will bulk collection
of
metadata continue?
Feinstein:
yes – but now the FISA
court
must approve before the
NSA
can access it
Gregory:
that's a change
Feinstein:
Snowden took the job with
the
intent of stealing information
– that's
not a concerned employee
Gregory:
do you think he had outside help?
Feinstein:
maybe
Gregory:
what about NSA reforms
Feinstein:
access to the database is
very
limited at the NSA – 20 or 25
people
can rifle through all your calls
Gregory:
Snowden!
Rogers:
whether he did or didn't have
outside
help he assisted al-qaeda
– there's
no honor in that
[
break ]
Gregory:
you graduated from college
in
2005 and founded Reddit –
tell
us all about national security
Ohanian:
let's get started Fluffy
Gregory:
Feinstein says terrorists still hate America
Ohanian:
that's a false choice
– we
can do both
Gregory:
you object to bulk
collection
of metadata
Ohanian:
I think the NSA can stop
terrorism
without the bulk collection
Gregory:
tech companies violate
privacy
all the time
Ohanian:
sure – but that cost c
ompanies
a lot of money
Gregory:
is this a political issue?
Ohanian:
mark my words –
Snowden will be seen as a hero!
Snowden will be seen as a hero!
Gregory:
thanks for coming Alex
[
break ]
Gregory:
Chris Christie might
run
for President or he might not!
Gingrich:
I can't tell what he's talking about
Gregory:
this scandal could go on
Mitchell:
he's meeting with his
buddy
Ken Langone and Langone
is
telling everyone Christie stupid
Gregory:
that's not good
Mitchell:
but Democrats are overreaching
and
Christie is probably home free
Ford:
he should just focus on doing his job
Gregory:
Marco Rubio said it's
Hillary
Clinton's fault people
were
killed in Benghazi
Henderson:
what did she do as
Sec
of State – except Benghazi
Mitchell:
the Ambassador was offered
more
security and he said no
Gregory:
gosh
Mitchell:
critics will say this was Clinton's fault
Gregory:
critics are great that way
Gingrich:
Hillary Clinton is like
Nixon
in her ability to avoid scandal
Gregory:
ummm
Mitchell:
she was on the Watergate committee staff!
Gregory:
LOL
[
break ]
Gregory:
how is your neck?
Gregory:
can you go out in the daytime now?
Gates:
David I was not bitten by a vampire
Gregory:
oh well never mind then
Gregory:
what about NSA reforms
– did
the President get it right?
Gates:
yes – we need to protect
privacy
and security
Gregory:
what else?
Gregory:
I think Feinstein and
Rogers
have done a terrific job
Gregory:
but the leaks led to
a
good national conversation
Gates:
but we're just debating
about
abuses that might happen
– that
doesn't justify damaging leaks
Gregory:
you were a very
emotional Secretary of Defense
emotional Secretary of Defense
Gates:
yes I was
Gregory:
in WWII General Marshall
was
a cold bastard but you
were
sentimental about war
Gates:
I felt the soldiers were
my
sons and daughters –
I
loved too much too support more wars
Gregory:
is it wrong to care that much?
Gates:
I don't know – but I do
know
that I am loved because
I
cared so much
Gregory:
thank you for revealing
that
painful admission
Gates:
it's my way
Gregory:
you said anyone
recommending
a land war in
Asia
should have their head examined
Gates:
I'm saying clear-cut victories
in
that area are hard to come by
Gregory:
possibly
Gates:
also we never once
get
it right trying to guess
where
the next war will be
Gregory:
will you vote for Clinton
for
President in 2016?
Gates:
I don't know – I'm a Republican
Gregory:
but you like her a lot!
Gates:
I worked with her in the
national
security area with Hillary
and
I have a lot of respect for her
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