Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI)
Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO)
Greta Van Susteren
Stephanopoulos: OMG the President's
panel blasted NSA surveillance!
Ross: they wrote a 300 page document
saying the NSA didn't abuse but the
program doesn't make America safer
Stephanopoulos: that should make for
light holiday reading
Ross: and then a federal judge said
the program was unconstitutional
Stephanopoulos: that's news
Ross: they also said we shouldn't
spy on allies without a good reason
Stephanopoulos: Snowden's friends
say the panel vindicates him
– you were on the panel – is that true?
Richard Clarke: no he's still a traitor
Stephanopoulos: welcome Mr. Rogers
– how's is going?
Rogers: it's a wonderful day for
surveillance in the neighborhood
Stephanopoulos: will you fight to
keep the metadata haystack?
Rogers: look the panel agreed the
information is important so now
the question is where do we keep it
Stephanopoulos: a lockbox?
Rogers: the phone company isn't
any more protective of privacy!
Rogers: the phone company isn't
in the business of keeping secrets
really well like the NSA always does
Stephanopoulos: a Bush-appointed federal judge
said that collecting all this information
violates the Fourth Amendment
Rogers: other judges have disagreed –
hundreds of opinions have said the
government can collect business records
and after all phone calls are not personal records
Stephanopoulos: well they're my personal
records held by a business
Rogers: a federal court affirmed this
program as recently as July
Stephanopoulos: should the U.S. give
Ed Snowden amnesty?
Rogers: Ed Snowden has offered to sell
classified information for his own
personal gain – I call that treason
Stephanopoulos: to Brazil?
Rogers: he never used whistleblower
protections – he just fled to free
nations like China and Russia
Stephanopoulos: should we be terrified
of terrorism because of the war on Christmas?
Rogers: Al-Qaeda has affiliates all over
the world and they all aspire to kill people
Stephanopoulos: just like McDonalds
Rogers: this report proves there was
no surveillance or scandal
Stephanopoulos: it does?
Rogers: and they never even talked to
the FBI about how useful Sec. 215 is!
Stephanopoulos: darn it
Rogers: also terrorists want to blow up
people in the United States –
merry fucking christmas
Stephanopoulos: Senator what about the NSA?
Udall: it's all falling apart – the NSA has overreached!
Stephanopoulos: go on
Udall: we must quickly adopt all 46 report recommendations
Stephanopoulos: all 46 of them?
Udall: well I haven't actually read the report yet
Stephanopoulos: is bulk collection of
Udall: no it doesn't fit with the requirement
for probable cause
Stephanopoulos: but the law has never required
probable cause for phone records
Udall: Freedom is the right to be
left alone and that includes privacy
Stephanopoulos: what about Ed Snowden?
Udall: I don't care about him
Stephanopoulos: you think he should face charges?
Udall: yes I do
Stephanopoulos: would we be having
this conversation without Snowden's disclosures?
Udall: no – I've been shouting in the wilderness!
Stephanopoulos: what about bulk collection?
Udall: we have to end the bulk collection!
Stephanopoulos: thanks for coming
[ break ]
Stephanopoulos: panel what about the NSA?
Kristol: there was no abuse and no violation
of the law – there was no evidence that
this metadata collection was abused
Van Susteren: I strongly disagree
Kristol: the Supreme Court said
there is no reasonable expectation
of privacy in phone records
Van Susteren: well the Court was wrong
– Smith v. Maryland was wrongly decided!
Van Susteren: there is no exception
in the Constitution for when
you're really scared
Rattner: bulk collection may be legal
but it's clear people don't like it
Van Susteren: the Constitution is so clear!
Dowd: Ed Snowden was vindicated –
the pendulum has swung too far
toward the government now
that a Democrat is President
Van Susteren: the Constitution is so plain!!
Rattner: for 30 years everyone has been wrong?
Kristol: fuck Ed Snowden – Congress
debated this and so did Obama
Dowd: I am very disappointed in Obama!
Stephanopoulos: you worked for Bush
when he was wiretapping Americans
without a warrant!
Dowd: that's different! 9/11!
Brazile: the people don't want this
level of surveillance
Dowd: Ed Snowden is a hero and didn't kill anyone
Van Susteren: even I don't support Snowden
Stephanopoulos: this is indeed a powerhouse panel