Sen. Mark Udall (D-CO)
Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA)
Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI)
Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN)
Greta Van Susteren
Stephanopoulos: OMG the government
is tracking every phone call and
all of our porn searches!
Audience: uh oh
Greenwald: the NSA has denied this
for years but in fact they have details
about their massive database
Stephanopoulos: General Clapper says
your reporting is reckless and dangerous
Greenwald: hey this shit is real
Stephanopoulos: but aren't leaks dangerous?
Greenwald: the only thing we endangered
is the reputation of the dudes who
exercise power in the dark
Stephanopoulos: Google and Facebook
deny they directly disclose the vast
amount information they gather
about all of their users
Greenwald: well the NSA claims they
directly collect this information and
I'm willing to bet they are disclosing
Stephanopoulos: have you been
contacted by the FBI about the leak?
Greenwald: under the First Amendment
I can report leaks – they will not intimidate me!
Stephanopoulos: who is your leaker?
Greenwald: I'll tell you during the break
Greenwald: the government always
attacks whistleblowers as traitors –
the are heroes to help us have an
open debate on surveillance!
Stephanopoulos: what more revelations
do you have up your sleeve?
Greenwald: ha ha - stay tuned Stephy!
[ break ]
Stephanopoulos: Senator you knew
all about this years ago
Udall: yes I did but I never liked it
– but also I don't support leaks
Stephanopoulos: Obama says these are
limited programs with a lot of oversight
Udall: the government is gathering
information every phone call you make
- that's too much information!
Stephanopoulos: so who cares who I call?
Udall: metadata is pretty powerful
information you know
Stephanopoulos: phone sex lines are so 1990s
Udall: hey look let's give the people the
information and let them decide what
surveillance they want
Stephanopoulos: but the Senate has approved it
Udall: but they're idiots
Stephanopoulos: has the Administration
been straight with the Congress?
Udall: perhaps but we need to know more
about just much information they are vacuuming up
Stephanopoulos: some in Congress
say this program stopped terrorist attacks
Udall: well let's talk about that –
but I'm still worried about personal privacy
[ break ]
Stephanopoulos: Dianne should we
violate everyone's privacy or just
resign ourselves to mass death?
Feinstein: here's the good news – the NSA
only collects everyone's phone records
and if they want to listen in your phone
calls they need extra permission
Stephanopoulos: well I'm relieved
Feinstein: also we stopped a guy who
was going to blow up the New York City subways
Feinstein: you remember 9/11 – that was
some scary fanatic shit George!
Stephanopoulos: I do recall that
Feinstein: the FISA court re-authorizes
these programs every 90 days
Stephanopoulos: oh so no problem then
Rogers: the Patriot Act forbids reading
e-mails without a really really good reason
Stephanopoulos: I'm on board
Rogers: after 9/11 we learned that it's
very expensive to hold on to phone records
so the government has to do it
Stephanopoulos: that's compelling logic
Rogers: this information cannot be
data mined – it just sits in a box all
day gathering dust
Stephanopoulos: did General Clapper
lie to Ron Wyden?
Feinstein: he's very honest but
he's not very bright to be honest
Stephanopoulos: he's too stupid
to understand the question?
Feinstein: right – he's a little dim
Stephanopoulos: President McCain
is open to holding hearings on this
Feinstein: I had a hearing on Thursday
which was open to everybody
Stephanopoulos: I wasn't invited
Feinstein: by open to everybody I meant
closed to the public and also senate staffers
Feinstein: I can't prove how awesome
this program is because it's all classified
Rogers: if we tell all the bad guys we
track phone calls they will stop using phones!
Stephanopoulos: it's too late now Mike
Rogers: I get that now but we missed
9/11 and the Boston bombing
Stephanopoulos: sounds your surveillance
program is going great
Stephanopoulos: would you prosecute the leaker?
Feinstein: darn right I would!
Rogers: yes we have to prosecute the leaker
because they only released a little bit of
information to make us look bad –
Glen Greenwald has no clue how these
programs actually work!
Stephanopoulos: why doesn't he?
Rogers: because it's a big secret!
Stephanopoulos: got it
Rogers: but if the people knew
more than just what Greenwald
released they would really support it!
Stephanopoulos: so why not release all the details?
Rogers: because it's just too awesome!
Stephanopoulos: thanks for coming
[ break ]
Stephanopoulos: George solve surveillance for us
Will: there are needles in haystacks
hence we must connect the dots
Stephanopoulos: I see
Will: on the other hand Obama is a big bad liberal
Krugman: this is some authortarian shit Stepphers
Ellison: I never heard of these dang programs!
Susteren: I want the terrorists to know
about this – then they would stop using
phones which would slow them down!
Stephanopoulos: interesting point
Susteren: also the FISA court is a
rubber stamp – also James Rosen!
Dowd: mining metadata is worse that
listening in on phone conversations!
Stephanopoulos: but they say they
are not data mining
Dowd: then why collect the information?!
Will: we all leave a digital trail of bytecrumbs
Krugman: anyone watching a tv show
the last 10 years knows this is going on
– including terrorists
Ellison: metadata is powerful but also useless
Dowd: Obama is doing everything
Bush did – but on steroids!
Stephanopoulos: that's a lie actually
Dowd: yeah but it sounds good
Ellison: this is not about Obama
Will: Obama is just like King George III !!
Susteren: Obama flip-flopped!
Dowd: Strange bedfellows!
Susteren: we never knew about any of this!
Dowd: right – this is all new and terrible!
Stephanopoulos: oh c'mon we've know
about this surveillance program for six years
Ellison: well I didn't
Stephanopoulos: this week Obama named
Susan Rice to be the NSA and
Sam Power to be Ambassador to the UN
Will: Samantha Power is against atrocities
which is very right-minded and therefore objectionable
Dowd: Obama is being very mean and
bitter by putting in the person he wants
as his National Security Advisor
Krugman: that's stupid
Dowd: I happen to believe the way
to solve all problems in Washington is
for Democrats should be civil and nice
and do whatever Republicans want
Stephanopoulos: there was good economic news this week
Krugman: it shows we have low expectations
Will: Wall Street loved it because
it means the Fed spigot will continue
Stephanopoulos: the deficit!
Ellison: we needs jobs George
Krugman: the economy was doing
well until the sequester
Susteren: I worry about poor people
in the inner city
Krugman: Obamacare is good for poor people
Susteren: maybe so but it's not enough
Dowd: 95% of the people have
gained nothing in 20 years
Ellison: I like seeing fast food
workers going on strike
Krugman: I'm worried the Fed will
ease off the moneyfall
Dowd: why are white men shooting
people and why can't we spy on them?
Susteren: when the government has
a conference it's really stealing
Ellison: if interest rates double no one
will be able to go to college and we'll
have nation of uneducated idiots
Stephanopoulos: thanks –
and that's another episode